Game/Dating

Sonny’s Guide to Screening: Part VI (White Girls)

Race ABSOLUTELY Matters.

Race plays a big role in the dating realm. A chick’s racial background can heavily impact the amount of time it will take for you to bang her. YOUR race also plays a big factor on whether or not you even have a chance. I break it all down in this article on white girls.

I am a firm believer in stereotyping. Stereotyping saves time. Whether we want to admit it or not, we all do it to some extent. No one wants to take the time to fully understand someone else’s story. We are a world that functions in CliffsNotes Mode.

The same logic applies to going out to get laid. There are some chicks that are naturally more down than others. This is not a bad thing.

If you bang a chick after knowing her for only a few hours, she is probably not relationship material. If it takes some time and effort, she’s probably better in the long term.

Based upon years of experience partying and regulating every shade of the chick rainbow, I am 100% confident in this idea of screening chicks based on race when you are out trying to get laid. It’s not bulletproof but it is accurate within reason.

Are there exceptions? Of course. Nothing is absolute. But this is about saving time and being reasonably accurate…

It’s about playing the game with the odds in YOUR FAVOR

I break it down into 3 levels. In general, the top level is where your odds are most in your favor (greatest probability of closing fast). As you progress downward, your odds decrease (take more time/effort on your part).

There are exceptions/factors that might bump them up/down. Those circumstances will be explained. Here you go:

 

White

Asian  Latina

Black  Middle Eastern/Persian/Indian 

 White chicks are poppin.

I love white girls. In fact, purely guessing, I would say that 95% of all my sexual experience has been with white girls.

White girls are awesome because it is with them where the odds are most likely in your favor of getting lucky fast.

There are underlying reasons for this.


A typical white girl doesn’t have to grow up experiencing a lot of the problems or harsh realities that chicks of other races often come across. Society caters to them and puts them on a pedestal. If they mess up, there’s usually someone there to pick up the pieces or just deal with the problem for them.

They are the most universally desired chicks. The demand will always be high for an attractive white girl. They are a status raiser. A minority man who is able to date/lock down a white girl raises his status significantly.

Ultimately, the world is very much sunshine and rainbows for young, attractive white girls. There’s no real consequences that they have to deal with. And as result, they are often the wildest, craziest chicks out partying/engaging in risky behavior.

 

The fear or even hesitation to engage in risky behavior (drinking/doing drugs/multiple sexual partners) is just not as evident with white chicks because of the general lack of consequences they have to deal with.

 

Just telling it like it is (usually goes). So in reality, the majority of chicks you hit on any given night should generally be white because of this stereotype of less hesitation to do something risky.

However, the odds are absolutely impacted by YOUR RACE. Everyone sees color, especially chicks. Of course they stereotype… after all, they are very skilled SCREENERS themselves.

Again, these are not absolute. If a dude is good looking/masculine/dresses well/is perceived to be cool… his ethnicity will not hinder him. He has a chance at getting a white girl. Also it depends on the chick. Some white chicks are absolutely obsessed with dating men of a particular race (think Kim Kardashian).

White Guys are the “safe choice.”

The odds are usually in the favor of white guys. They are the most universally sought after (evident with Latinas and Asians). But this is also what white chicks mostly grew up around and probably have the most experience dating.

It’s natural to stick with your own race. It’s the “safest” race because the odds of success/power in this world is heavily in the white man’s favor. High school history class should have taught you this.

A white guy is always perceived to be at least on a white chick’s level (or above it). The only exception is if there is a significant socio-economic or looks gap between the two.

Although we have come a long way, downgraded interracial dating (white girl with a male of color) will never quite fully be accepted. It will always be looked down upon or seen as “not natural” by some.

If she comes from an ultra-conservative background that might be the case. Ultra-conservative chicks who come from OLD MONEY are expected to date white guys from similar backgrounds.

There’s no real negative stereotypes for white guys except for when they are compared to black guys (more on that below).

White guys can increase their odds by just improving all the stuff that matters. I talk about it all in my very first two dating articles, Part I and Part II.

 

Mixed Race (Outliers) are the Wild Cards.

If you are some sort of mixed minority, the odds could definitely be in your favor. White chicks like anything perceived as exotic or different. Also there’s no real stereotype for mixed races.

If anything, being mixed race garners a bit more interest because the mystery of what ethnicity you are will need to be answered.

White chicks all want to try something a little different (at least once). Even the ultra-conservative ones might let you stick them (depending on what you bring to the table).

Back in college, I hooked up with a few very conservative white chicks that definitely came from OLD MONEY and generations of Conservative views. They would never consider “dating me” and would certainly NEVER EVER introduce me to their parents… not being white and filthy rich would be looked down upon or “beneath them.”

But I would be the guy that they secretly texted at 2 AM when they needed their medicine.

On the flip side, being mixed can sometimes be a status raiser for chick… such as her friends all dating white guys but she’s the one dating a half X/ half X guy.

Outliers/Mixed Race could almost be looked at as similar to the curiosity of dating a black dude (want to see what it’s like) but without having to deal with the negative stereotypes.

 

Black Guys are the “dangerous choice”.

The odds are still not in your favor due to societal constraints. That taboo of a white girl with a black man is still present in our society today. It’s gotten a little more widely accepted recently though.

Black guys have a lot of negative stereotypes but the one positive one trumps them all… the stereotype of black dudes being strapped. Everyone knows this one. The other ones include being better athletes and just being “cooler/smoother” in general.

Of course chicks know about it and they wonder… “What’s it like?”

Every white chick wonders what it would be like get with a black dude. Some never act on this curiosity… but some do (especially in their college years).

The easiest way for a black dude to increase his odds is to build the best body possible and just look your best. A jacked black dude can absolutely wreck white chicks just based off of the whole aura of dominance/intimidation.

As far as style is concerned, you want to be: clean cut/fresh (fade, maybe some tats/earrings, button down/Polo) versus broke ass ni**a (XXXL throwback jerseys, Tim’s, fake jewelry)

*** Some of my best friends/guys I’ve winged with over the years have been black. I like winging with black dudes because of “perceived contrast”… a very important concept (more on that when I write a series on Wingman).

Summer 2011 (Washington DC) – My 2 best friends were these black dudes from Tennessee. We always went out and got white chicks. They are the real old school soul brotha types that dress well.

MY TOP WING (Las Vegas) – My buddy in Vegas is a 6’3” jacked black dude who looks like a young Deion Sanders (rocks a fade though). Anytime we go out… all I can say is that it’s game over.

Also developing the ability to adjust from the black world vs. the white world… There are two different worlds and having the ability to socially exist in both puts the odds in your favor. That reverts back to overall multi-dimensionality.

Maximizing your income/professional career also puts the odds in your favor because your network will put you in greater contact with white chicks (of high class).

*** FOR COLD APPROACH: I would also say focus on brunette chicks of Mediterranean descent such as Greek/Italian chicks, those are the white chicks that seem to be most down for dating/hooking up with black dudes.

*** Same goes for chicks with perceived “daddy issues” or an agenda to make their father angry… more applicable for long term.

 

A little spice (Latin) never hurt anyone.

There aren’t any real crippling stereotypes for you guys. Sometimes people get in the bad habit of thinking of anybody of Spanish/Latin descent and relating them to the image of a typical Mexican day laborer or just someone who is dirty.

Ultimately, dudes of Spanish/Latino descent can be looked down as not being on a white chick’s level. It depends on how conservative the white chick is.

But like the black dude, white chicks also might wonder what it would be like. White chicks can be intrigued by the exotic/spice element to dating a dude of Spanish/Latin descent.

*** Also, you guys are often seen as being a little more dominant/aggressive so that can definitely be a positive.

You guys can increase your odds with white chicks by taking care of what universally matters (10 Laws). Being Spanish/Latino definitely brings the exotic element into the mix that can definitely be utilized. If you’re smooth and can dance, you significantly put the odds in your favor.

 

Asians: Don’t Give Up!

I’m sorry to say it but being perceived as “fully Asian” makes the game very difficult when trying to get white chicks. There’s a lot of negative stereotypes for Asian men that pretty much cripple their chances at getting white chicks (being nerdy, small/timid, having small dicks, etc.)

These stereotypes exist. Let’s be clear of that right now. It’s not too common that a hot white chick’s first choice is to date an Asian dude. It’s just not.

The odds are not in your favor with white chicks. Going out spam approaching chicks does not put the odds in your favor. Your main focus should be to GET THE ODDS IN YOUR FAVOR!!!

*** HINT: Studying game does not put the odds in your favor because the PUA concept of GAME is of little value in real life.

If all you do is study GAME and don’t work on anything else, your best bet at getting a white girl is if you run into one who has an Asian fetish, one who is very drunk, or a Liberal Hippie Chick.

If you are a hardcore Asian kid who wants hot white chicks, you put the odds in your favor by doing the following…

 Lifting Weights

Dressing Better (white boy swag)

Becoming Cool

Getting a Cool Social Circle (made up of mostly White kids)

Avoiding hanging out with a “pack of Asians” at all times

*** Cool talent/hobby you are known for

*** Having an American accent helps (don’t worry if you don’t)

*** Being tall

*** Living in New York City or Southern California

I have known several “hardcore Asians” over the years that were able to get white chicks consistently. Here’s the breakdown:

Best Friend in Business School: Chinese 5’11” jacked (lifted weights); style was Cali Swag (always wore tanks and fitted hats); best electric guitar player ever… dates white girls

Friend in High School: 5’5”? skinny; style was a little hood (wore Ecko/South Pole, had earrings); best break dancer around; cool kid who had cool white friends… dated hot white girls

Father: 5’3” pretty jacked, impeccable wardrobe back in the day (dressed preppy and also rocked suits); ELITE SOCIAL CIRCLE (in NYC in 1980s); cool dude/street guy that got along with people easily…. Dated hot white girls

Myself (early years): started off high school small; 3 sport athlete; really good at baseball (moved up to Varsity Freshman year); had a lot of older friends (had status from being accepted among older/cool kids); style was hood (Ecko/South Pole/throwback jerseys when they were cool)…. Dated hot white girls

 

Indians (and everybody else) need to knock it out the park.

I think Indian dudes have it the hardest when it comes to white chicks. I personally have never seen an Indian dude dating a white chick unless he was really bringing something to the table. These include:

 Being Filthy Rich

Being Very Handsome

Being in an Elite Social Circle

There’s a lot of negative stereotypes that society has about Indian people… being dirty/smelly, being creepy/socially awkward, being nerdy.

It’s unfortunate because I know that this demographic makes up a significant chunk of the clientele/audience of PUA sites. But like I said, PUA advice does not increase your odds really. The only thing that might help is the getting out of the house/social aspect if the guy is a hardcore introvert.

Bottom Line: Hardcore Indian dudes need to absolutely do everything they can to knock it out the park with the stuff that matters.

Maximize your looks by lifting weights and dress well, get in with a cool social circle (made up of mostly white people), get money.

Also it’s in your best interest to consider moving somewhere like New York City or somewhere in Southern California.

Middle Eastern/Persian guys might have it a little bit easier due to generally having lighter features than Indians. But they also need to knock it out the park as well.

That’s it for now. I think I basically said what was necessary for white girls. This article was not meant to offend anyone. It’s reality.

 

Sonny

 

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86 Comments

  1. cos&cos
    May 26, 2014 at 9:26 pm — Reply

    Hey are you gonna do another series on black/latina/asian chicks?

    I think the reason why ir dating is taboo, especially between white girls and black guys is because like you said, white women are universally desired. We white men do in fact feel resentment at the fact that we might have to compete with minorities for our own women. Of course, you’re right about the “exotic” appeal factor, and to be fair most white guys wanna try out a different race at least once. I guess white guys usually go for asian girls whenever we go outside our own race, but to be honest most of us dont really like them. Sure, there’s some pretty ones, but they usually have tiny little girl bodies, and they’re often just plain weird lol.

    Sorry, not trying to be a race troll here, I only bring this stuff up because I do actually have an honest question. Whenever I’m out for the night at a club or whatever, if I see a hot white girl with a minority (especially black) it kind of makes me mad, and I find that it ruins my mood a little bit. Obviously, Im not trying to get into fights with people and I wanna have a good time when I go out just like everybody else, so how do you suggest I get over this? Should I just accept the fact that white girls are depraved and treat them like sluts who call for black cock at 2 AM, or do you think thats an unhealthy attitude?

    Please take this comment in the spirit that its intended, as an honest question and not a troll.

    • May 27, 2014 at 1:43 am — Reply

      Yes. I’ll do a write up on them as well.

      I’ll get into it in greater detail in the following articles. But in reality, white guys are probably better off (odds most in their favor) focusing a little more on Latinas and Asian chicks (the more Americanized the better). Reason being that the idea of a status raiser applies to minority chicks as well. Dating a white man is absolutely a status raiser.

      As far as your question, just don’t think much of it. What you described is an unhealthy attitude. Not all chicks are sluts like that. And not all of them are down for the brothas.

      • May 27, 2014 at 2:15 am — Reply

        Agree, A lot of the Americanized Asian girls are actually always going after White guys lol, the FOB ones too. It is a status raiser for them. This has been portrayed in the popular media.

        • May 27, 2014 at 2:27 am — Reply

          Yes, you can be an average white guy and have bad ass Asian chicks all over your shit.

  2. May 27, 2014 at 1:35 am — Reply

    Hey great write up bro. As far as Asian goes, I rarely see Asian guy with hot white chicks. However, when I do see then, often time than not it is more common that the guy is Filipino, less of Chinese, as far as what I see. Your father being an example, Not sure if it had to do with the fact that Philippine was a Spanish colony before.

    As far as race goes, the white chick can definitely be racists, I remember when me and my Filipino wing approached these white girls, the girl looked at us disgruntledly and spoke to her girlfriend like “Oh, it is two Asians.” lol

    I have way easier time with Asian, black or Latina.

    • May 27, 2014 at 1:51 am — Reply

      I get what you are saying. My Dad is really tan and people usually guess Filipino or Spanish with him.

      Yes, I’ll get into that when I do a write up on winging. But basically if you are Asian you cannot be winging with other Asians… it decreases you chances because then you get characterized as “Asian kids approaching chicks in the club.” You need to be winging with a white dude because of the idea of contrast.

      Myself included, I try not to wing with another Asian because then the initial vibe is 2 Asians… Only time it didn’t matter was when I was with my friend in business school. But he’s a well-built Chinese kid (almost my height) with a Cali swag style… white chicks looked at him and thought he was really cute.

      When I do the whole wingman thing my best results come from winging with black dudes or cool white dudes.

      In general, if you are a minority… contrast with your wing (racially) is key.

  3. Milun
    May 27, 2014 at 9:09 am — Reply

    Where I live in Sydney race doesn’t matter so much since Australia is such a multi-cultural country. But yes, there are definitely stereotypes (unfortunately), and I think it’s a good idea to be aware of them and then do your best to adjust based on what girls you’re after.

    I myself am Indian on my mother’s side and English on my Fathers side, but I’d say I got the best of both worlds – chicks always say I look like a Brazilian model or something haha, and yes girls over here love that exotic appeal.

    It’s more to do with where you’re born and raised, I’m sure if you were born and raised in an Asian country you would be a lot different than how you are now. Same thing if I was raised in India (shudder)..

    Just out of curiosity, have you been overseas to other countries / experienced diff cultures before?

    • May 28, 2014 at 2:05 am — Reply

      Yea. I’ve been all over Asia (Philippines, China, Japan) when I went on a few trips with my dad. I was a little kid though.

  4. assman
    May 28, 2014 at 12:09 am — Reply

    I love the pawgs man no fucking lie

    • May 28, 2014 at 2:00 am — Reply

      Yea white chicks are def poppin.

      White chicks with ass def want a dude who they perceive as being able to handle it…. Being black or being jacked puts the odds in your favor.

  5. jeFF
    May 28, 2014 at 3:34 am — Reply

    Do you really believe mixed race men have an advantage? Not so sure I would agree. I’m mixed race myself and I truly believe a white man is always at an edge. Black women, Latino women and even Asian women seem to LOVE white men. And obviously white women will usually prefer white men. That’s just life. How tall are you btw? I would guess 5’8 or 5’9?

    • May 28, 2014 at 3:56 am — Reply

      Mixed race men can be at an advantage. Depends how good looking you are/how masculine. If you got top notch looks not being fully white is not going to necessarily hurt. Also depends what your mix is.

      A colored mix with white might helps a little more. Also something “weird” that the chick probably hasn’t come across helps.

      Also it depends on how you are perceived based upon who you are hanging out with…. If you’re say half Asian half white and you’re entire crew is Asian, you’re going to be regarded as “another Asian” and the odds will not be as much in your favor.
      If you hang out with an entirely white crew, odds are more in your favor and you are not necessarily gonna be regarded as another one of the Asians. You will stick out. If you are good looking/got your shit together/seem cool…. it can absolutely be an advantage.

      I’m 6 ft.

      • Jeff
        May 28, 2014 at 6:34 am — Reply

        I think I understand where you’re coming from but mixed men at an advantage over white men? I don’t think that will ever be the truth? I’m half white and half native and I don’t think I’ll ever feel superior to 100% white men around women. Maybe I’m just being negative but even a white guy that’s say 6 ft and as jacked as you, chances are he’s going to do better than you in the long run as well. That’s all things being equal though. I think I get turned down sometimes by white women because I’m not completely white myself and they prefer white men. I think white men will always be top of the food chain when it comes to attracting women. I think I should work a bit more on other things though as it may help me.

        • May 28, 2014 at 6:50 am — Reply

          If you don’t feel superior to white men around chicks then you gotta make yourself superior.

          I focus on looking my best and being jacked…. that’s been my source of confidence for years. All of my experiences dating hot white chicks over the years also makes me not care. I know where I stand.

          I ALWAYS see myself as having an advantage… I really don’t worry about what might happen if I come across some good looking white guy as jacked as me. The chances are slim to begin with. Also I don’t “compete” with other guys for chicks to see who will do better.

          That being said I have been “rejected” because I was not fully white. Happened a few months back. She said I was very handsome but that she only likes white guys. I saw her leaving with some 5’7″ white guy with a beer belly. I didn’t take it personal though.

          Part of screening (the rejection part) is whether or not you’re “her type.”

          • JEff
            May 28, 2014 at 3:07 pm

            I think I may just need to work more on my style and physique then. Even though I’m half white and half Native, I look much more Native. I’m just really into white women and can rarely land them. I find white women to be the hottest race by far. As much I hate to say it, I truly believe it’s a white man’s world.

          • May 28, 2014 at 5:57 pm

            Yea dude work on your physique for sure. Muscles definitely put the odds in your favor regardless of race.

  6. Alwaysbeclosing
    May 28, 2014 at 10:07 pm — Reply

    Hey dude, glad you are posting this series. As a 6’3 muscular white guy, I tend to find indians, hispanics, and black girls more attractive than white chicks (in that order).

    I can say, besides white girls I have only really had most luck with black chicks (mostly because of not having good game at the time when I was around more hispanic girls). But Black chicks can def be DTF quick man. I pulled a black chick to the park and fucked her pretty easily and I pulled a separate black chick in 15 minutes back to her place. What can I do to get Indian chicks man? I’m talking both west indian (trini/guaynese) and east indian, cause I just can’t get it in with these chicks. A girlfriend of mine tried to hook me up with an east indian in her social circle and the chick said I was too big and intimidating. I was like wtf? Another chick was rich from guayana but a virgin at 25 and was making me work way too hard and I just dropped her. If you could profile these girls (and hispanics) in your next posts I’d greatly appreciate it.

    • May 29, 2014 at 5:18 am — Reply

      Thanks for your comment. Hate to say it though I really don’t have experience with Indian chicks… closest that comes to mind was a half Chinese/half Guaynese chick I hit Junior year of high school.

      I’d say your best bet is to try and find Americanized Indian chicks…. talk white and grew up in a white culture pretty much. Because of cultural upbringing I’d say it might take some work with “traditional” Indian chicks.

      I’ll be sure to talk about all the rest of the races in the next article.

  7. May 29, 2014 at 1:20 am — Reply

    Straight to the point, no rainbows. Good article. Hopefully clueless guys who read this will start to invest time in their bodies or bank accounts rather than PUA.

    I’m half-Finnish/half-Pakistani, I do best with Eastern European girls, then White Brazilian girls. Western white girls are the most difficult for me I think. I look Middle-Eastern/Mediterranean, most guys with my looks do the best with Eastern European girls. They must have some kind of fetish for us.

    • May 29, 2014 at 5:25 am — Reply

      Yea point of this article(s) was to clear up some things for kids if they were (are) hardcore into the pickup thing… A lot of sources rope in clients saying looks don’t matter and that they will help you master your dating life with a $3000 bootcamp. This will not happen.

      If the kid is a typical nerdy Asian or Indian kid, going out approaching all day/night is not addressing the fact that shit needs to be worked on beyond the going out and hitting on chicks thing.

      If a stereotypical Asian kid wants white chicks… He is far better off spending his time hitting the gym, putting together a wardrobe that works, getting cool white friends, becoming more outgoing, and maybe doing some approaches vs. going out 7 nights a week copying the lines/routines that he saw his favorite pick-up guru did on a questionable YouTube video.

  8. Thisisbullshit
    May 31, 2014 at 4:30 am — Reply

    Basically what your saying is put the cart before the horse.
    Listen to all the media bullshit about looks and money
    Stay inside your comfort zone and be socially acceptable
    Never expand your comfort zone which in reality in 100 years no one gives a fuck if you were weird to some chicks in a club. Like this comment 🙂
    Try to get inside a white social circle and be the guy who goes out and just screens for DTF LOL
    Seriously, If you have any hardcase newbie friends, they will be more stuck in their with this bullshit
    If you go out enough times, you will see the kind of guys these girls are leaving with. It blows my mind to this day and no they were not drunk or dtf.

    • May 31, 2014 at 7:21 pm — Reply

      Jesus kid… I picture you being out of breath writing that.

      I don’t have any “hardcase newbie friends”.
      Going out and spam approaching chicks at a club is of little use to a “hardcase newbie”. In reality, the reason why they are a hardcase newbie is because they lack basic social skills/just are not perceived to be cool.

      The types of guys that girls leave a club with are usually the dudes they came with and already know. The only exceptions being dudes who the chick finds sexually attractive who also happen to lead the interaction and close.

      I think you’ve been watching a little too much PUA fantasy videos on YouTube.

  9. Thisisbullshit
    June 1, 2014 at 3:03 am — Reply

    no wonder half of my former classmates in highschool got married 2 years ago with chicks that chose them.
    They had this bullshit mentality and never did anything outside of their comfort zone.
    You would be a horrible influence on hardcase newbies, they will be so stuck in their head that they will never approach a chick until he got his shit together LOL

    • June 2, 2014 at 1:16 am — Reply

      I know right…. It must suck for them having their dating life handled while you anonymously talk shit to me on my site. You really know how to push your comfort zone 🙂

  10. Thisisbullshit
    June 2, 2014 at 2:35 am — Reply

    You cant see 2 sides to a situation hence why your site will fail.

    Also, its not practical to insult your viewers

  11. Zinger
    June 2, 2014 at 8:49 am — Reply

    Awesome screening articles Sonny. didn’t know out you had a blog until recently.
    Pay no mind to the delusional guy above he has obviously been brain washed by because uses the term “hard cased newbie” A term that that they use a lot over there.

    • June 2, 2014 at 7:00 pm — Reply

      Thanks dude. Yea unfortunately a lot of guys really are beyond saving when it comes to the PUA fantasy.
      It boils down to the individual’s male role models/fatherly influence they had growing up in my opinion.
      Unfortunately, a lot of those kids who are lost were either raised by their mothers or just did not have strong male role models that they could look up to growing up.
      Those are the ones most susceptible to becoming brainwashed by the PUA cult.

  12. Jason
    June 3, 2014 at 2:57 am — Reply

    I’m Vietnamese 5″9 tan and I’m currently working to get bulk up. Many people said I don’t look asian they said I look pretty mixed with a little bit hispanic. So yeah I can get pretty much get away with that. I know as an Asian man we have a lot of negative stereotypes. when it comes dating. I thought about moving to Europe or Brazil (not just for the women) in the future but do you think other countries that know about negative stereotypes about asian men?
    I know you recommend us living southern california or new york how about other countries like Brazil or eastern europe?

    • June 3, 2014 at 3:16 am — Reply

      I think if you’re considered good looking (regardless of race) you can go anywhere you want and get hot girls.
      That being said I think you gotta keep “opposites in mind”. Contrasts are so powerful.

      I know white boys kill it in Brazil because they are opposite the norm in that country (people generally have dark features).
      I’m thinking Eastern Europe (or any other country in Europe where light features are the norm) would be best for someone with darker features.

      Any thoughts from you guys in Europe?

  13. carter
    June 10, 2014 at 1:48 pm — Reply

    great article sonny. really good insight. imma try keep this short and succinct so you can give me your take complete my understanding for me, its long but id REALLY APPRECIATE SOME HELP (my questions are at the end):

    -im 5’5, indian, was skinnyfat
    -early on i realised i had to get something going my way so i focused on getting jacked, hovering at 10% BF, dressing well (more white boy preppy style, with a little flair to stand out)
    -these are my observations from game over 2 years:

    -I started off reading into ALL the pua stuff 2 years ago- i did this bcos at the time all my social circles saw me as the timid, shy, (though now jacked) indian kid so i had no shot with the hot girls- so i COMPLETELY bought into the idea that cold approach was the answer to getting the hottest girls. In total i probably spent 15k in bootcamps etc and tried it all- direct cold approach game (usually only good for girls who think you are their type or girls who are less attractive than you), indirect cold approach game (often opens hotter girls better but usually goes nowehere more often cos you show no intent or no sexual threat off the bat)

    -my next step in game was to go ‘travelling’. i backpacked for 6 months thinking that would get me laid (cos all the white guys that go away backpacking come back with SO many mad stories)– i got a few travelling but it was purely from playing a massive numbers game- basically backpacking made me get out of shape, dress poorly, and so the odds were not in my favour.

    -my best success in the cold approach game was last year when i hit up vegas and europe with a bunch of baller friends, it was tables most evenings in vegas, staying at luxury hotels and we cold approached every night for like a month- that period made me think cold approach was again a good option- BUT WHAT I DIDNT REALISE WAS ALL THE INBUILT VALUE I WAS BRINGING TO THE TABLE- TABLE SERVICE, NICE HOTELS, A BUNCH OF COOL BALLER FRIENDS.

    so after travelling with those guys i came home and tried to get back into the cold approach game—-and again i found less success and was scratching my head. To date the best success iv had has been through small social circles iv got into after reforming my image back at home

    My questions:
    1) i have found daytime approaching to be SO FUCKING DIFFICULT- so many rejections- in my head my gut tells me that a random indian guy (depsite being jacked and well dressed) is just too much of a risk with most hot white chicks. Also the other thing my head tells me is that in a big city like NYC meeting someone in soho daygaming is not going to pay off cos she probably lives in a random place and me in brooklyn…admittedly i do find daytime approaching intimidating, and im sure my communication is a bit fumbly and bumbly cos i dont do it that much (i find the night much easier to be more outgoing in) Is this a fair statement or am i making excuses- should i day approach more ( i mean iv been told im good looking, though 5’5, jacked, well dressed) ?

    2) As far as night time goes- is this the better odds option?- and if it is, then instead of doing it cold approach style like , how do i make it work for me, cos its still tough.

    If its to do it social circle style- how would i build that if i move to a new city. im an entrepreneur so i wont have automatic social circle from moving to a new company in a new city= new social circle. peoples social circles are built from school/work. so a new city is scary territory.

    Should i go out in the day and night time and try to ‘make’ new friends and meet them out and build a circle like that. seems kinda weird just saying it.

    3) where does cold approach fit into this picture, my take is:
    -its taught me that intially my communication was shit, and the more girls i talk to, the longer we interact for, the more spark i see in their eyes, the more i end up banging that are top quality— the more my general communcation increases.
    -its taught me that guys are too thirsty for sex, and we communicate that straight off the bat and chicks can pick that up
    -its taught me that cold approach cold approach whether day or night is actually very poor odds. during the day you are just too much of a random person (even if it fits the girl’s ‘knight in shining armour fairytale BS) and at night a lot of girls are out to

    4) finally, do you agree to some degree that game as taught by PUAs can actually help guys, i mean, i agree you gotta look good, be jacked, communicate well- but i also agree that alot of communcation comes from extreme inner confidence (inner game) and the frame that you know what you’re doing, that this girl is lucky to be around you, all the ‘positive thinking stuff’ (inner game).

    im happy to donate some cash or paypal you if i can get this part figured out. honestly i just need to know if i should lockdown for the next 2 years and make a stack of money, train hard, and forget about girls or continue on the cold approach/build a social circle over time and not worry about making too much money (cos god knows there are plenty of rich guys who dont get any pussy)

    cheers carter

    • June 10, 2014 at 4:29 pm — Reply

      Thanks for taking the time to write this.

      1) If you want to bang more chicks it only makes sense to approach more. Being a 5’5″ and Indian is going to screen a lot of white chicks when you do the whole “Hey I thought you were cute and wanted to say hello.” Everyone gets rejected. It’s all part of the game. The night will always be easier because it’s considered more the norm all around for everyone. Dudes feel more comfortable talking to chicks. And chicks are expecting it a little more. During the day, going up to and blatantly hitting on a chick is not of the norm. It’s totally random. Dudes really don’t do it unless they have some sort of experience with the world of pick-up.
      I find that the best interactions are those chance encounters where you randomly just end up talking to a chick… the way you increase your chances of this is by being an outgoing dude in the first place.

      ex. standing behind a hot chick on line at Starbucks… Ask her what she’s gonna get. You guys chit chat a little bit. See if she wants to sit down somewhere and go from there.

      2) Cold Approach style works but it screens very hard. It’s going to work for chicks that are down to get fucked within a short period of time. It’s going to scare away the not down chicks and perhaps even the on the fence chicks as well.

      I personally do not think it is for everyone just because everyone is different. A lot of rejection is inevitable by going up and being so hands on right away… not every guy can handle this.

      example: The last chick that I pulled and fucked during the day took place a few weeks back. Met her at the park. At first she was a little uncomfortable with me touching her. But she was down. I knew this because she followed me in her car all the way back to my house 15 miles away to “hang out”. The chick was an on the fence chick and took a few hours to close.
      Had I done the approach, it would have been too much for the chick and I probably would have creeped her out at the park.
      Moral of the story: ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be aware of the situation and trust your instinct. There’s always going to be some sort of adjustment that needs to be made.
      *** There will be times when the style is best. There will be times when baby stepping it is best. Being in touch with your instinct and being socially aware of how the chick is reacting to you is what should ultimately guide you.

      VERSATILITY is the answer…. meaning being able to have multiple avenues of meeting women. Cold approach, social circle, random encounters….. use them all.

      FOR YOU, your best bet is social circle in my opinion. Depending on your accent, your going to be stereotyped as “little Indian guy.” That’s going to be people’s initial Cliff Notes on you. Sounds like your doing the right thing by hitting the gym and dressing fly so that’s good. You sound like an Indian version of my father.
      He got white chicks through social circle. He worked in the nightclub industry in NYC during the 80’s.

      For you to meet people, you gotta get out of the house. You can meet people at the gym. What else do you do in your spare time? You got any hobbies where you can join a club in the city?

      I think your best bet is to do some research on what the hot spots are and dedicate a day/night becoming acquainted with the dudes that you perceive as “running shit.” You can usually tell who the major players are (dudes who run shit). Sunday Fundays are the new thing so hitting up someplace in the city known for good Sunday Funday action and mingling with the in-crowd is your best bet.

      3) Cold approach is just only tool in the shed. It gives you a big advantage because it gives you the opportunity to bang chicks that you just met/approached… that otherwise would not have been brought into your life. However, rejection is inevitable. There are so many reasons why a chick would just not be down. First off, if she’s very attractive chances are she’s already taken. Second, it is random. The idea of going up to and “hitting on” a chick is creepy by society’s standards. It just is.
      ex. Anytime you see a dude even talking to a random chick, everyone seems to just drop what they are doing and stare.

      The truth is… social circle and the reach it gives you will always be king. It will always be all about who you know. In college, I never got rejected and never cold approached. I got more ass than a toilet seat. So many times where I would just run into the same chicks over and over again and all I had to do was just flirt with them a little a see them drunk at parties.

      4) The are some things game as taught by PUA’s is good for. The main one being that you can get chicks by approaching them. There’s other little things such as not being needy and positive thinking that’s good too. But that’s it in my opinion. Game as taught by a PUA is flawed because of the source in most instances. A PUA usually has some sort of deep-seeded emotional issue caused by their upbringing. There’s usually some pain caused by rejection by women in their early years. There’s always that chip on their shoulder to sort of prove to the world how great they are and get back at women. As a result, they truly do not get women because their resentment (that they never get over) prevents them from becoming better men. It’s all just a game and proving to the world how much of a big bad alpha male they are. This is reflected in a lot of their teachings.

      Most PUA’s are not real men. But rather man-children who never grew up. that’s what happens when you dedicate many years of your life to “mastering women.”

      Absolutely not. Never lock yourself down and completely take women out of the equation. That’s what jail is for. Get a girlfriend. That’s when your at your best as a man… when you got one dependable, loyal chick. That’s also when you have the most focus.

      Talk to you later man. Keep checking out the site!

  14. Rick
    October 16, 2014 at 2:10 am — Reply

    Holy shit you stereotype bro! It’s cool in your personal life but on your blog? That’s not going to win over traffic

    • October 17, 2014 at 4:10 am — Reply

      Thanks for you comment. I know it seems harsh but that is the way the world works. I stereotype. I am stereotyped. You stereotype. You are stereotyped.

      that’s the truth…

  15. Rick
    October 17, 2014 at 5:03 pm — Reply

    What’s your ethnicity?

    • October 18, 2014 at 3:45 am — Reply

      Half Filipino/Half Russian

  16. Rick
    October 18, 2014 at 3:05 am — Reply

    Lol! Create articles on racial profiling and you delete my question on your own ethnicity
    what a tool

    • October 18, 2014 at 3:46 am — Reply

      I didn’t delete your question.

  17. Eric
    May 6, 2015 at 7:11 am — Reply

    Sonny, I think you have it completely wrong when it comes to race and I strongly urge you to reconsider your views.

    1. Mediterranean women do not like black men, if we are going to be honest about race, this is the truth. A lot of black guy – white girl couples you meet are of women of Anglo descent. As a matter of fact, white women of Anglo descent are the main ones fetishizing black men, the rest of the white women could care less about them.

    2. Asian and Indian men are stereotyped to have it rough with white girls because stereotypically, they are just an undesired group. Which group has the most nerds, geeks, and socially awkward men in the USA? Asian and Indian men, which are also the groups that do the best in academics because their parents push them so hard. All that said though, you leave out one KEY thing, a lot of white girls from richer families and better areas are more open to going for Asian, Middle Eastern, and Indian men than Black men if all else is equal. A suave and good looking guy of those races will generally be favored over a black guy.

    I have seen and met plenty of white girls who would not even want to be seen standing next to a black guy date Asian or Middle Eastern guys, this is in the USA and one of the most racist regions of the country as well. Back in college, I knew fraternity brothers that were Asian and Indian who were going on date nights, formals, and spending nights in bed with good looking sorority sisters that stayed away from almost all of the black guys.

    The reason you see black guys doing well is because there are more suave and good looking black guys to go around. Another main reason is because black guys pursue white girls much more aggressive, same can be said of latinos. Most Asian, Indian, and Middle Eastern men are recent arrivals to the United States meaning they are just getting used to the culture. The ones who are assimilated into American culture and have it together can often do well with white girls since they are a mixture of safe, acceptable, and exotic.

    • May 6, 2015 at 8:24 pm — Reply

      This article is pure speculation and my observations over the years.

      There are always exceptions to stereotypes.

      For #2- Yea that’s true.

      Yes. Indian and Asian guys have a decent chance as long as the try to break away from their respective stereotype… FRAT LIFE is an awesome way to do this (due to integration in a predominantly white social circle).

      I wouldn’t say “can often do well”… there’s still the stereotype to overcome… A lot of it is “luck of the draw” where the Asian/Indian guy is able to align himself into the right social circle.

      • Eric
        May 7, 2015 at 7:51 pm — Reply

        You’re seriously exaggerating how much white girls hate Asian and Indian men. I am not either race myself but I have seen the reality play out various times. The preference for most white girls is no doubt the Channing Tatum lookalike (tall, white, athletic body, masculine features, etc.) but your typical Asian or Indian who has his shit together can get girls that simply won’t go for minorities such as black guys.

        “This article is pure speculation and my observations over the years.”

        Then that explains it. I think it is a poor source to use especially if you are trying to give people advice. If I was to take a guess, I am going to say your experiences are for the most part limited to the NYC area, white women there for some reason are the uber liberal types who feel that they have to sleep with black guys to prove that they aren’t racist but are racist towards other minorities. At least that is what I hear.

        • May 7, 2015 at 7:54 pm — Reply

          I’ve lived all over the US.

          Of course dude… If an Asian/Indian has his shit together has a shot… I never said otherwise.

          Thanks for your opinion.

          • Eric
            May 8, 2015 at 11:34 am

            I doubt you’ve lived down in any of the southern states then and I say this as a guy who is mixed race (half black half white but came out looking more mediterranean). Girls down here from the more affluent areas prefer latino, asian, or indian (assuming they are assimilated) over black men whether it is for ONS or LTRs. No doubt I’ve known black men that have down well with white girls in other areas and probably even better than other races but down here, it helps being anything but black if you want to get white girls (football players are the exceptions to the rule ).

            Maybe things really are different up in NYC because you make it sound like white women there are repulsed by anyone that looks Asian or Indian but down here, I have seen culturally assimilated dudes from those backgrounds do quite well for themselves here. Most people see them as the exotic visitors and have a lot of respect for them compared to other minority groups. A middle eastern guy is seen as just a tanned or exotic Caucasian dude (similar to how a lot of girls see Italians and Spaniards) and can definitely do well here.

            I lucked out in that I don’t look as black but most black men down here have it rough, it helps to be any race but black when going after white girls here. Now I have known some who went to California and one guy up in Pennsylvania who said being black helped with women there.

            Even though your post had good intentions, I think it is a bit misguided but I do respect you for saying it is just based on your experience.

  18. Flounders
    May 6, 2015 at 7:34 am — Reply

    I found your blog through a very controversial forum you’ve been posting on lately and have been reading many posts on it. You pride yourself on being realistic about many things out there, but I think that you might not be completely right about race, as a matter of fact I disagree with you trying to pass this post off as “reality”, it is going to lose you a lot of credibility among readers.

    How about this, if I can give you statistics that prove that Asian and Brown men don’t have it nearly as bad with white girls as your blog post says, will you be willing to re-do the blog post?

    The statistics will show that a higher % of Asian guys are married to white women than black men. Another pair of recent statistics will also show that white women married to Asian men are much more likely to be college educated than those married to any other ethnic group except for white men.

    Don’t get me wrong, some Asian or Indian fresh off the boat with immigrant clothing isn’t going to get hot blondes anytime soon but I don’t think his results will be the same as a Harold or Kumar from White Castle.

    Yes, Indian and Asian men do poorly because most of them don’t care for any of this, the hookups or casual sex. A lot want to get a job to please their overbearing parents. That isn’t because of ethnic appearance though, it is because of culture which in this case is tied to ethnic appearance. Even then, I have noticed that Asian and Indian guys who have it together tend to be able to date white girls that might not go for guys of other minority groups.

    • May 6, 2015 at 8:26 pm — Reply

      I’m not interested in your statistics and I’m not “redoing” anything for you.

      You do make some good points though regarding marriage.

      This article was not really meant for marriage/long term relationships…

  19. Master Yoda
    May 7, 2015 at 2:03 am — Reply

    Brilliant editorial, well written Sonny, and everything you have written is 100% correct, and that is, your race as a man does determine whether white women find you attractive.

    Although my background is Italian, I have a dark and swarthy look, and as a result I get mistaken for an Arab, and believe me white chicks hate Arab looking guys, and this is why I have no luck with women.

    Great blog Sonny, keep up the good work.

    • May 7, 2015 at 7:58 pm — Reply

      Thanks dude.

      Not sure if that is the only reason why how are your social skills?

      • Master Yoda
        July 9, 2015 at 1:57 am — Reply

        Hi Sonny,

        My apologies for my late reply, but to answer your question, there is nothing wrong with my social skills, women reject me instantly even before I open my mouth. The fact of the matter is, women make snap judgments on men based on their looks and race, and if you happen to look like a race they don’t like, it’s game over. Like I said previously although I am of Italian background, I have a dark and swarthy appearance, and as a result I get mistaken for an Arab or man of Middle Eastern Appearance, and where I am from (Australia), women hate Arab looking men. It’s racist and it sucks, but that’s life and my tough shit.

        Once again, great article, and thanks for having the cojones to speak the truth.

  20. 50 shades of whew
    May 7, 2015 at 4:25 am — Reply

    Generally, most white girls that are attractive and from wealthier backgrounds prefer the tall and good looking white guys whether it is for flings or for long term relationships, many of them often exclusively. Minorities always have to bring more to the table than white guys, this is a politically incorrect fact but it is a fact regardless. The tall and good looking white guy will always have the upper hand in the eyes of white girls because he is seen as the ideal. I am white myself but a bit shorter, have grown up in wealthier suburbs my entire life and if there is one demographic of women I know well, it is your typical white girl.

    You are underestimating how well Middle Eastern men can do with white girls and the amount of white girls out there that actually like them. I don’t think you’ve known that many of them because from what I have seen, plenty have Caucasian facial features and have absolutely no trouble getting white girls if they are assimilated into American society. Out of all the minority groups, I would say that Middle Eastern guys and Latinos with a lot of white in their bloodline probably have the easiest time getting white girls of various cliques and backgrounds, it’s like they aren’t even seen as “minorities”. Many of them can get white girls that normally won’t go for other minority groups, same could probably be said of Indian, Pakistani, and mixed race guys with those kinds of looks, they are the wild card.

    Online dating surveys like the one from OkCupid have also found that white women tend to respond well to Middle Eastern men than they do to men of other minority backgrounds, have a look for yourself:

    http://cdn.okcimg.com/blog/race_affects/Reply-By-Race-Male.png

    As for the post itself, I think it was poorly done compared to the many other quality posts you have made on your blog. You seem to use just experience over the years to write a post about race and then give advice to guys according to it. All of the advice is practically like this “so this race has it better with white girls than that race but just lift, make money, and have white friends and you’ll be good”. I got completely lost when you tried to list guys out into some sort of hierarchy based on just your experience and nothing else.

    I also don’t know why the PUA world and so much of the seduction community have this axe to grind against Indian guys. Sure the immigrant ones with accents struggle but when I went to high school (in a wealthier suburb loaded with the kind of white girls you speak of), I found that guys of that race who were assimilated into American culture did not have it tough at all. I have not met many young white girls who have explicitly ruled out indian guys here in the USA or singled them out as being the one race they would never touch so I don’t get why so many people online are saying Indian guys are the most screwed.

    • May 7, 2015 at 8:01 pm — Reply

      Exactly. If Indian guys can assimilate like you said… they don’t have it nearly as bad as ppl on the Internet claim.

      But that’s not often the case for your typical Indian guy who reads my site or other sites wanting to learn how to get chicks… It’s often the case where they fit the hardcore stereotype and want to skip the westernization/cultural assimilation and go right in to cold approach pick up… this is a big no no.

      • Eric
        May 8, 2015 at 11:38 am — Reply

        Oh shit, in that case you’re probably right. I’ve never met a fresh off the boat Asian or Indian dude that did well with white girls. When I said Asian and Indian guys do well, I was talking about more Harold and Kumar, not Apu or Chang.

        Even then though, I wish you would have made that clear in your post. I thought you were talking about just ethnic appearance and nothing else, that’s what I mean when I say race. An Asian or Indian that is more assimilated will have way better results than some immigrant and can definitely pull some quality, I haven’t seen them having that many issues.

        • May 8, 2015 at 7:45 pm — Reply

          I lived in North Carolina for 5 years and lived in Texas for a year.

          • Eric
            May 9, 2015 at 4:26 am

            My experiences are with SC, LA, GA, and AL, the really conservative southern states. I’ve met a few Indian and Asian guys in Texas who have had no issues at all. You should fix up your post a bit to specify that immigrants and assimilated guys will have completely different results, so far your post is kinda poorly done because from what you said in the comments, it is not based on ethnic appearance alone.

          • May 9, 2015 at 8:45 pm

            Thanks for your comment.

            Keep in mind it was done over a year ago when I was new to writing.

  21. FutureChamps Bucs
    May 9, 2015 at 9:15 pm — Reply

    Just thought you’d give this chart a look.

    http://i.imgur.com/BP0FhHq.png

    Original source = last page of this long article.

    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2012/02/Intermarriage-II.pdf

    Point being: Asians don’t have it that bad, they also counted Indians as Asians for this article.

    • May 11, 2015 at 8:31 pm — Reply

      Once again, the article had nothing to do with marriage or long term relationships you fucknut.

  22. BringbackHarbaugh Dammit!
    May 16, 2015 at 4:10 am — Reply

    I think you’re underestimating how picky about race and close minded the type of white girls you talk about are, saying this as a white guy btw. The ones who come from affluent families and drive nice cars, they aren’t easy for anyone, not for white men and especially not for minorities. From what I have seen in these girls, their idea of safe and dangerous is based on white men alone for the most part. Safe is the preppy white guy with good looks and a nice future while dangerous is the white drug dealer or white guy with a bad boy lifestyle, and good looks.

    You make the indian guy bringing something to the table example, that is almost all minorities in general unless it is a mixed guy or latino that looks very white. Even the black guys I knew in college who were getting attractive white girls for the most part were college athletes, not just some random black guy. Now all of this was in California as well, not some hick state. For the most part, the good looking white girls I knew almost always stuck to white guys that were usually tall and in great shape, here and there I might see a minority get with one.

    One thing I can comment on about Asians and Indians/Arabs is that those groups in California are usually well off, the families tend to move into areas that a lot of the white girls you talk about live in. Many white girls in the state have female friends from foreign backgrounds because they are in the same social class as them. White guys who are high value have some token whitewashed Asian and Arab friends, those groups are readily accepted into white social circles in the richer areas of the state. By no means is it in anyway common to see either of the two groups (or any minority for that matter) with a hot girl that happens to be white and from a wealthier background but in my years of living here and seeing things play out, I do get the impression that these rich white girls would rather pick an Asian or Arab for a fling or LTR rather than a black or Mexican guy. The guy will obviously have to be of high value but a high value asian or arab will be much more readily accepted than a high value black or mexican guy, unless we’re talking celebs like pro athletes but those are rare. Lower class white girls on the other hand go interracial more readily and they do so with blacks and hispanics, since they are mostly around those groups a lot. As a whole it is more common to see blacks and latinos with white girls but in the richer areas that have the kind of white girls you talk about, the groups you ranked as lowest on your list actually have much better luck because they’re upwardly mobile when it comes to social class and economics.

    • May 17, 2015 at 3:01 am — Reply

      Some good points here.

  23. BeatOregon
    May 17, 2015 at 8:48 pm — Reply

    Just thought I’d share my experiences as Indian guy in the USA.

    Came over to the state USA at the age of 5, lived in Utah from the age of 5 to the age of 18. Lost virginity at the age of 16 to this blonde who was 18 and a senior in high school, she had a serious thing for me. Me, a latino, four black guys, and two Asian guys were the only minorities at my high school. All at some point dated or slept with a girl that was white.

    I did not see my race as a handicap but that is probably because I was whitewashed, left HS with 5 lays, all of them white.

    I notice that being one of the very few Indians in the state has helped me out a lot. Often times I go to a party, event, or a bar and I notice there is always a girl (usually white) that approaches me and is aggressive towards me. When I was 18, I had this blonde with a pretty face and balloon titties just throw herself at me, I hit it at the end of that night, it was amazing and some of the best sex ever. I am more on the light skin side but people can still tell I am indian, so I don’t think it is a handicap at all. Have not been around many Indians to really tell how they do but I can say for myself that it has helped me more than hurt me, maybe things would have been different if I grew up elsewhere.

    Right now I am 20 and have had about twelve lays under my belt, all of them white because that is all we have in the state. I have noticed that there is some sort of opposites attract thing going on too, I get a lot of attention from natural blondes and gingers. On New Year’s eve I ended up getting with this short blonde with a gorgeous face and bubble butt who was making it very obvious she was into me. I notice that white people in general here in the state are very warm and hospitable, maybe things would have been different if I grew up in NYC or LA.

    • May 17, 2015 at 9:39 pm — Reply

      You’re prob a good looking dude.

      If you’re a good looking dude, girls are gonna like you no matter what your race is.

      • Come On Sonny
        May 18, 2015 at 9:03 pm — Reply

        Dude you can’t be serious right now, the only way an attractive white girl is going to go interracial is if the guy is either good looking and/or rich, no matter what minority group he is from.

        • May 19, 2015 at 7:18 pm — Reply

          … and/or “connected enough”… Thought I made that clear.

  24. Handynasty Solo
    May 22, 2015 at 3:56 am — Reply

    Even though this post has numerous errors as others have pointed out, one I would like to bring up is that NYC is an awful place to be if you are a minority who wants quality in terms of white girls, especially if you’re Asian, Indian, or any kind of foreign race. For one, the TRUE white (WASP, Anglos, and Northern Europeans) population here is really not that high, we have a lot of Italians and ethnic whites.

    Now you have another major issue, whites in the city are concentrated in the rich areas of Manhattan (meat packing district for example). Most of the times, reasonably attractive white women in NYC do not mingle with minorities, especially not the type you’re talking about in your video. For girls like that, there is an abundance of high quality white guys to pick from (wall street guys, musicians, trust fund kids, etc.) to even entertain the idea of dating a minority or even getting with one.

    To make matters worse, I saw tons of ethnic women with white women but hardly the same the other way around unless the woman was flat out ugly or fat.

    Something you learn about white girls in NYC is that they are a particular type of racist. Most of them will write checks to the NAACP, cry over Ferguson, and vote Democrat but the second some minority tries to flirt with them or stand near them, he will get rejected in a heartbeat. Many of these girls will even look at their friend and joke about how an Asian guy or Indian guy hit on em and thought he had a chance. A lot of these girls have dating histories that are as white as snow.

    In my eight years in the city, I met maybe ten couples at most where the woman was white and attractive and the man was not white himself. Of those ten couples, over half were transplants that just moved to the city or were touring the place. All of those couples got some negative attention that they have not received elsewhere. I am of East Asian descent and I am glad to have moved out of NYC, that place was horrible for men of minority groups. Right now, I am vacationing in Miami but I live in Texas, it has been much easier for me to date white girls of quality there compared to NYC.

    I think men of just about any minority group that could be considered exotic (Indians, Asians, Arabs, Latinos, etc.) would be wise to avoid NYC where they would be getting scraps at best. The wealthier white guys in NYC are also aggressive and openly racist as well, they will do everything to get your girl to leave you.

    • May 22, 2015 at 10:10 pm — Reply

      Where in Texas? I used to live in Austin.

  25. Handynasty solo
    May 23, 2015 at 4:11 am — Reply

    I am not going to give away that much information about my location on a public comment section but I don’t live in Austin, even though I have visited a few times.

    Something else I forgot to mention on my comments, I think you should swallow your ego and admit that articles like this are practically a waste of time, circle jerk, and for the most part nonsense. I have not seen you criticized heavily over any of your other work than this one and I have to agree with the angry mob on this one, this article is garbage. Every man has his own experiences and honestly, from my own experience and that of many men I talk to, Black and Hispanic women are pretty fucking easy compared to white girls when it comes to SNLs and ONS.

    Online dating studies have even found that black women write back to men the most but also get ignored the most, white women on the other hand are the pickiest. I am not trying to pedestalize white women here but tbh, this is probably the first time I have read an article by you and believed that you have no idea of what you’re talking about. Not only are you pissing off people of different races with your misinformed statements (which others have uses statistics to prove false), but you’re also giving guys some horrible advice such as moving to NYC and or So Cal (both highly competitive markets, especially for guys who want the white girls).

    Your advice seems to basically say the same thing for guys of all races too: lift, max out looks, and make money yet you say some races have it awful while others have it easy. I think this post is poorly written and needs some serious work. You’ve also insulted commenters that have used facts to prove your thread wrong.

    • May 23, 2015 at 4:40 am — Reply

      Again, when people quote studies/statistics it doesn’t mean anything to me.

      The article had nothing to do with online dating.

      The article was not a waste of time because it opens up discussion to the fact that in the eyes of white girls in America… we are not all equal.

      This was meant for the guys who DO FIT the hardcore stereotypes of certain minorities who are very much into the world of PUA and are wondering why they might get rejected.

      As far as the article, of course it’s crap compared to what I write now. It’s not detailed enough and it’s not broken down into certain geographical areas.

      Ex. Stereotypical Asian guy’s “odds” in Louisiana vs. California.

      For all you guys, wanting to put your 2 cents in… Accept that the article was written early on. I AM NOT CHANGING IT.

      BUT… if I do write any more articles on race, I will be sure to clearly indicate that it is based off of my experience and NO I will not be using statistics.

      • Handynasty Solo
        May 23, 2015 at 4:59 am — Reply

        The issue here is that you’re trying to give guys advice but you avoid the facts when doing so. You never really clarified things in your article which hurts your credibility with anything. Now if this was just a personal blog or your diary, you could write about how you winged with Lexington Steele and picked up two 10s that night, no one would care, because it is your personal dairy. Unfortunately, when you write shit like this based off of “experience” and are trying to reach out to guys/change their lives, you are giving bad advice because it is just based off of your experience and you’re trying to present it as fact.

        Whenever you write shit like this, you have to do the research and really clarify to the world that you were talking from just your experience and not present it as fact. When you do, your open yourself to criticism and when that criticism brings in fact, you lose credibility.

        You’re new to this blogging thing so I just thought it be good if you knew. TBH, I think you just wrote this based off of what you hear on PUA forums, internet forums, and other blogs rather than just your experience because you were afraid you might sound wrong. Asian and Indian nerds whine on PUA forums then it must mean they have it rough. Lots of porn out there exists of black men fucking white girls? That must mean all black guys are getting model blondes! Liberals say mixed race people are beautiful? Okay that must mean white girls are crazy for mixed race men.

        Given what you have told me, I am pretty much done reading your blog for now. I wish you the best in the growth of this blog but I cannot follow this kind of shit.

        PS: For the Asian guy in Louisiana vs California thing, I know you might think CA is the better choice but an Asian guy might do better with white girls in Louisiana as he is more exotic there compared to California where he is just another Asian.

        • May 23, 2015 at 5:06 am — Reply

          You’re on “vacation” in Miami and yet still find time to waste time on a “bullshit” article…

          The truth is if you were happy with your life you wouldn’t be wasting time on the Internet trying to prove someone wrong… you’d be doing your own thing.

  26. Brotha online
    May 23, 2015 at 5:54 am — Reply

    Just thought I’d share my experience as a black guy with friends of different races.

    Black men have both an advantage and a disadvantage in the game when it comes to white girls. The advantage is that out of all the minority groups, black men are the most fetishized by white girls. White girls out there wonder about the BBC more so than they do about getting with a latino, Asian, or Indian. Most of the times though, I have found that particular kinds of white females have this sort of fetish. You pointed out the ones with daddy issues but I also feel like there are other kinds too. Older white women with a high sex drive (cougars), curvier white girls, white girls raised in poor/working class areas, and athletic white girls.

    Most of these girls aren’t going for just about any black man, they’re going for the best one in the room like your top wing in Vegas.

    What you’ll learn about those girls is that even though they might prefer black men, they’re not very discriminating in general and they don’t fit into the description you give in your video. A minority of any background could just as easily get those girls, I have known a couple of those girls that slept with the “hardcore” asian and indian dudes you describe just because they happened to be horny, they’re more than open to going for guys of any other minority groups as well.

    The disadvantage is that black men don’t have as big of a pool as other minority groups have when going after white girls and we have to bring a lot more to the table than other minority groups when gaming the pickier white girls. Sorority girls and the kind of white girls you describe in my experience are much more open to going for an Asian or Brown dude with his shit together (isn’t hardcore like you say) as opposed to a black guy that has it together, this is true for both ONS and LTRs. I find this to be especially true for the kind of white girls you describe in your video, the ones raised in affluent areas and wealthier places.

    I don’t know why there is so much hate towards Asians and Indians either. The ones I knew who had nice bodies, were assimilated into western culture, and had decent looks had no issues getting white girls. I have found that couples like that are not that rare in the professional world. Saying this as a guy that went to a university with a sizable Asian/Indian population and a large Greek Scene.

  27. Zach Hurts
    May 24, 2015 at 12:23 am — Reply

    I am almost curious now, do you have a lot of bad experiences with Indian men? Just read your other thread about minority girls and you even said in the comments about how awful it is to be Indian and you clearly show some dislike towards Indian males on this blog post as well. I’ve had some Indian friends and I haven’t noticed this racial handicap people keep carping on about, if anything I would say that the good looking ones can play the exotic card quite well. Plenty of Latina, black, and Asian women I’ve met have crushed on and wanted to be with my Indian friends. White women I notice for the most part prefer white men but they won’t pass up a quality guy of a minority group that easily.

    You say being good looking or rich are exceptions to the rule man but I don’t know where in the world you live where average looking minorities with an average salary are dating Heidi Klum and Sienna Miller lookalikes.

    Also, you’re being pretty rude to most commenters who are calling this thread what it actually is, just a bunch of nonsense that you’re trying to push on to readers as facts.

    • May 24, 2015 at 3:05 am — Reply

      One of my best friends towards the end of college was Indian….

      Actually you’ve posted on this thread using multiple usernames (IP’s are an exact match).

      I’ll tell you what I’ll do…

      If you feel that strongly about it/feel like you have something valuable to contribute I will let you edit the post.

      E-mail me a time to Skype face-to-face after the weekend. Show me you got some balls and stand up for what you believe in… If you seem like a legit guy, you can edit the post.

      This offer stands for anyone else as well.

      • Zach Hurts
        May 24, 2015 at 6:42 am — Reply

        I was bringbackhaurbaugh and as my name and location imply, I live in an area with a ton of Asians and Indians. The reason I commented again is because I read your minority girls screening thread and got the impression that you might have something personal against Indian males that is impacting your writing and this whole ranking you made. Not saying you’re completely wrong, read my other post where I was harbaugh, I said that almost all minority groups will have a hard time getting the desirable white girls for both ONS or LTRs, just that Asians and Indians don’t have it as bad as you and many other gurus make it out to be.

        The only message I will leave is that to most people with a lot of experience in the game, you’re clearly wrong on two points and I think many people will back me up on this.

        One point is, white girls are not “easy” by any means, they’re probably the toughest. The minorities I have known who landed quality white girls for ONS and LTRs managed to get even much more attention from girls of minority groups. From what I have seen, you have cases where a guy from a minority group is of good value and manages to land quality girls of his group and other minority groups, every once in a blue moon he will get with a quality white girl. Look at any online dating study, white women write back the least and have the strictest racial preferences.

        The same white guys you talk about who find Asian, Black, and latin girls easy, almost all guys who

        Why else do you think the red pill, PUA, and manosphere stuff was created? It was created because white women are prudish, hypergamous, and picky as they come.

        The other point being, white men do the best because we are the best (no racist). We aren’t short like the asians and indians and unlike a lot of blacks and latinos in the country, we do better financially as well. The whole renaissance man thing people talk about, most of the times he is white. Try to find guys out there who are tall, have nice bodies, make a lot of money, and aren’t socially awkward when talking to women and an overwhelming number of those guys will be white. Most of this is not because of some racism or media brainwashing, it is because men who have the total package most of the times tend to be white.

        I won’t do the Skype session with you because I am just not comfortable with showing my face to strangers online, it probably does make me less credible than you or a lot of gurus but all I will say is that I am a white male who has a lot of experiences with white women and the game. The other reason being because my experiences are limited to just California, I don’t know how things work in Texas or New York. If you want to dismiss me as fake then go for it but I am sure you will find a lot of people who agree with my two points.

  28. Vikrammed her
    May 25, 2015 at 5:33 am — Reply

    Sonny I feel like you might have received some harsh criticisms on the comments but even as an Indian American, I know where you might be coming from. You have said that you grew up in NY and as a guy who went to a prestigious university in the state, I can say that particular region of the USA is not very friendly towards Indian or Middle Eastern men. What I experienced in my college days made me realize that in some parts of the USA, being a brown guy does kinda limit you in a way.

    At the college I went to, almost all of the brown girls that look good were going for white guys, it hurt me as an Indian guy seeing all of this. Some of these girls legit looked like Bollywood actresses and they were going for white guys that looked like Michael Cera. To make matters worse, Indian girls regularly bad mouthed Indian men to their friends of other races which gave Indian guys a bad reputation. Most (like 80%) Indian guys I knew at my university were lonely, some of them weren’t bad looking guys either. Good news here is that occasionally you would have an Indian guy that was good looking, socially well connected, and usually in a fraternity that managed to get some good looking white girls. I also met an Indian guy that was older but got hot girls through social circle game, long story short, you know he had to put work in. In the New York area, I can definitely confirm that the nasty stereotypes about Indian men you pointed out do exist. I struggled but managed to sleep with an Asian, a black, and a couple of latina girls. Landing white girls in the NY area is hard as hell to do when you’re Indian and don’t have the white social circles to work with.

    Now fortunately after college I moved out to California and found that Indian guys do not have the same stigma attached to them. Landing white girls was easy as hell there compared to back when I was in NY. We had white girls there who had the whole yoga spiritual type of fetish (some of them are hot blondes) and as an Indian guy who is jacked and taller than average, it was like shooting fish in a barrel. I git with blondes that had model quality looks and found my swarthy appearance to be appealing. If I had never been to New York, I would have dismissed your post as bullshit but after having lived there for four years because I got into a prestigious university, I have to say you make some points if you were just talking about your experience in the NY area.

    Right now I am in French Canada and I see Indian and Asian guys here with cute white girls, I have found that my appearance helps me here too and I will be moving back to CA soon.

    Great luck with your blog man!

    • May 25, 2015 at 7:20 pm — Reply

      Thanks bro you make good points.

      For the record, my best friend/wingman my senior year of college was Indian.

      He was very popular, very well connected… and he ONLY dated/hooked up with white girls.

      He brought a lot to the table…

      He was/is very handsome. Everything about him was cool. He was also the craziest motherfucker/party animal you could imagine.

      I have so many stories about him. I actually might do a podcast episode where I talk about him… dude is a living legend.

  29. Julia Rob Hurts!
    June 8, 2015 at 3:38 am — Reply

    Sonny, what made you say that Indian and Middle Eastern men have it the hardest when it comes to getting white girls?

    I’ve heard a lot of people say this online like on places such as forum bodybuilding and some PUA forums but it doesn’t seem like that to me IRL (saying this as a mixed race guy who looks mostly white with some brown friends). A lot of white girls I’ve talked to have mainly shown more of a reluctance towards going for blacks and Asians than brown guys. Middle Eastern and lighter skinned Indian men seem to have it just as good as most latinos and mixed race guys.

    • June 8, 2015 at 8:31 pm — Reply

      I think everyone is going to have different opinions and experiences regarding this topic.

  30. Unbiased truth
    August 5, 2015 at 10:29 pm — Reply

    Yo Sonny, I know you have been getting a lot of shit for this article so I am going to defend you here. First of all, the fact is that in order to get attractive white girls, you have to bring a lot to the table here in the United States. We have a high obesity rate and slim white women that have pretty faces are not really that easy to find in a lot of areas, they know their worth and aren’t going to settle for an average chump of any race.

    Now for all of you that are going at Sonny, perception is reality brothers!

    You can tell all the stories you want about some successful Indian or Arab guy you know who is pulling white pussy but I honestly don’t see that shit in real life. I have personally never seen a Torrie Wilson lookalike go for a Brown guy no matter how stylish and well off he was, it was rare. Majority of the attractive white girls I see are with white men, then black men, and then latinos. I am starting to see them with Asian men and Indian men at a decent rate, I will come back and say that I am wrong but I find it odd how those 2 groups can earn so much cash in the United States yet still struggle so much when it comes to getting the white pussy.

    Asian and Indian men get a lot of shit in red pill communities for a reason, because you just don’t see them getting with hot white girls (especially not Indian men). Now the reasons for that can be plentiful, like they don’t care, but society doesn’t see it that way. Society just sees that if Indian and Asian men cannot get with hot white girls, then it must mean that hot white girls hate them, there is no other explanation since in the eyes of American society white girls are perfect!

    That said, I would want to see how a handsome Indian fella with game could do with hot white girls.

  31. Cory
    March 16, 2016 at 9:55 pm — Reply

    After years in the game Sonny, I feel like almost everyone has to hit it out of the ball park in order to do well with the better looking white girls. I am white myself and the only white guys I see who are getting with the better looking white girls are the tall, handsome, and higher value types. Even with blacks, Hispanics, and all other minorities I notice the same thing. I see tall athletic looking black guys have success with cute white girls but that is about all I really see.

    With minorities, I don’t often see them with cute white girls unless the guy is higher value himself. I don’t think it is because of racism, I think white girls are just picky as hell due to being spoiled by western culture. PUA, Men’s Rights, and the whole Red Pill thing happened because the better looking white girls are picky as fuck.

    • March 17, 2016 at 7:00 pm — Reply

      Yea… Like I said value trumps alll

  32. Dardonis
    April 15, 2017 at 7:22 pm — Reply

    I do kinda relate to this thread, it does seem to line up most with what you see in real life. It is not too common for me to see hot white girls, especially if it’s a blonde, going interracial but when I do see it I notice the dude is more mixed/white looking, Hispanic but looks white, or black. Seen some East Asian dudes pull it off too but I do agree with you, not too many Indian dudes here in the USA getting hot white girls.

    Currently I am in NYC and Indian dudes have it beyond horrible here, same with Middle Eastern dudes too, they seem to struggle a shit ton unless they look completely white.

    Funny thing is that I have seen some handsome Indian dudes pull a hot redhead that was more on the dorky side or a hot brunette but never seen one with a Candice Swanepoel or Erin Heatherton kind of girl.

    Now I know you answered this question at the end of your thread sonny but I was wondering if I could get the answer in more detail.

    If a dude is Indian in the USA who is past the college stage of life (is an adult now), lets say assimilated into American culture like Kumar from white castle as opposed to being a “hardcore” Indian, and he wants to date and fuck a ton of hot blondes, what is the bare minimum he would need to bring to the table? Have you seen an Indian dude pull that feat off?

    • April 18, 2017 at 8:54 pm — Reply

      Only time I’ve seen this was when the guy was filthy rich and had a ridiculous mansion in Marble Falls.

  33. pahan
    April 19, 2017 at 11:29 pm — Reply

    Do you think that’s like the level of value an Indian dude would need to bring to the table to date those types of women in the US or do you think it can be done with less than that?

    Then again, props to him for pulling it off in Texas, one of the most backwards states in the country. I would assume it might be more doable in a state like Florida and Nevada but what do I know.

    • April 22, 2017 at 1:08 pm — Reply

      You either have to be handsome or very rich. On the off chance, you could luck out and get some sort of weird hipster chick that happens to be hot.

      • patroo
        May 3, 2017 at 7:32 pm — Reply

        Damn dude, you legit don’t want Indian dudes doing well do you. Bad experiences with thirsty fobs out there lol? Nothing personal against you but I can understand, I find that Arabs in my home country have fucked up night game for everyone.

        • May 4, 2017 at 1:01 pm — Reply

          Don’t care. I only care about me

  34. lavland
    May 28, 2017 at 2:06 am — Reply

    LOL its funny how you post this thread saying indian guys have it the worst.

    Others on the comment call you out on it and you seem to have a change of heart or think they may be right. Share the story about your legendary Indian friend from college.

    Indian guy comes along to ask you if Indian guys can get hot blondes and you more or less tell him it isn’t really possible.

    See this is what separates successful writers from you Sonny, those guys don’t carry a grudge a race and even if they do, they don’t make a post on it trying to pass it off as fact. You seem to have an axe to grind with Indian guys, made this post for clickbait, and that is why no one really takes your blog seriously anymore.

    You made this whole site to please PUAHate and I doubt they have a high opinion of you.

    • May 28, 2017 at 7:26 pm — Reply

      Yes. Cry more about an article I wrote 3 years ago. Faggot.

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